As everyone will be aware, Cyclone Alfred is bearing down on some pretty populated parts of Queensland and New South Wales. Solar installers have been posting useful links, so without adding to the information overload we’d like to put a few of the best tips we’ve found together.
If You Have Standard Grid Connected Solar
Energex are putting out blanket advice to turn your solar power off. It’s really not necessary and it’s really pissed off the installer industry in Brisbane because the phone just won’t stop ringing.
AS4777 mandates that when the mains power goes off, so does your inverter. It’s not essential to turn solar systems off.
Unless your system has a rooftop isolator, (which nobody should be looking for in 100km/h winds) switching the DC off at the inverter really doesn’t achieve anything. By disconnecting the safety functions for earth leakage inside the inverter, arguably it makes the system less safe
To quote Brisbane Solar Repairs; Your inverter is a very clever bit of machinery – it can detect when the power is out or the grid has become unstable and turns itself off without any intervention by you.
Turn The AC Off First; Then The DC
Of course, if it makes you more comfortable you can shut the system down as a precaution.
It can be worthwhile if there are likely to be lightning strikes, power poles blown over or trees striking power lines.
In each of these scenarios, you could have a monumental voltage fed down your street. Trees can drop feeder lines, crossing them with the 230 volt street distribution system, causing a sustained injection of 11,000 volts, while a bolt of lightning may be a million more volts.
However the general advice is to have a battery-powered radio tuned to ABC local and put some ice in your freezer to transfer into the fridge if the power goes out.
This has kicked off a storm of needless fear and unnecessary phone calls
Energex may have reasons for telling people to turn off solar, but they’re not explaining it properly.
Using temporary HV generators or piggyback network feeders, deployed as stop gaps when trying to get things back up and running means network stability can be difficult.
However, Energex’s explicit instruction to people with batteries to turn off the DC solar for “safety” reasons is just wrong.
If You Have A Battery
Lucky you: it’s worth testing the blackout function (assuming you have that option enabled at install time) by turning off the mains power.
In your main switchboard there should be a “Main Switch Normal Supply” or “Main Switch Grid Supply” or perhaps “Meter Isolator” and these should be a different-coloured label to all the rest.
Turning off the supply from the street simulates an outage so depending on your system, the lights should stay on, or they may take up to 40 seconds to come back, accompanied by a clunk from the switchboard.
Batteries May Need Some Management
Thanks here go to Scott Su at Sungrow, who has been proactive on social media in explaining how to make sure you have a full battery before the grid might go down.
Follow the red highlights to navigate the app and make sure your battery is fully charged, or try the YouTube guide here.
- First up, find the account for your installation or property
(this is an administrator screenshot so you may not encounter this view on your consumer monitoring)
- Bear in mind the apps can vary with age and installed hardware
- Scott says Select “Menu” to expand the technical settings
- On my own Sungrow app I have to select “Device” to get to the next screen
(where it says “Dashboard” in this image)
Standard three bars for MENU
- Select the “Hybrid Inverter” or “Energy Storage System”
Your system may have more than 1 inverter listed.
- Slide the top bar across to find the “Settings” tab, then tap “General Settings”
There are a lot of settings, consult your installer or possibly youtube if you’re in doubt.
- Set your battery reserve to 100% so that remains fully charged unless the grid goes missing
- ie “Please Enter 100”
Backup mode should already be enabled provided the house has been wired for it of course.
This is a good example of the process, but Sungrow promise us they’re working on a more user-friendly toggle on the home screen to make this much easier.
Of course, if you have a different brand of solar hardware, the monitoring will look different, and there will be a different procedure.
For instance Tesla has an option called “Stormwatch” which is designed to make this battery charging happen automatically, however if you have other controls such as a retail deal with Amber or are part of a Virtual Power Plant, these might need to be disabled so you have complete control of the battery.
If You’re Wading Out Of A House That’s Going Under
Nobody is making light of this situation but the inimitable John Ingliss from Geebung’s own Positronic Solar has a very helpful video posted to Youtube.
Bear in mind this is pragmatic advice for competent people. The authorities would consider it electrical work that should legally be undertaken by trained electricians. As these qualified people are in short supply during an emergency, you may undertake these tasks at your own risk.
In this video he outlines how to deliberately short-circuit your DC solar power and render it safe by clamping the voltage to zero.
Using a clear path to circulate current is actually a safety feature employed by some inverter makers like SMA, to deal with potential earth faults.
This is quite safe to do because the wiring for DC solar arrays is drastically oversized to minimise losses. Solar panels are a current-limited source so they simply can’t overheat the wiring which is rated for double or triple the working load.
Disconnecting the AC source is no guarantee but it does mean there’s less chance the inverter will be damaged if it does suffer some moisture ingress. Disconnecting and shorting the DC will prevent the possibility of an internal inverter fire in the hours and days after the water recedes.
HOWEVER THERE IS AN IMPORTANT CAVEAT
- Since this video was recorded, most solar inverters have moved to having an onboard DC isolator inside the inverter.
- If you wish to short the array for one of these modern units, it would be best to do the work at night, as the DC solar plugs will be live when you’re trying to remove them from the inverter and connect them together.
- Separating or fumbling with live plugs will cause a significant DC arc flash, blackening and melting the pins and possibly burning your fingers and singing your eyebrows.
- If you’re in any doubt, leave well alone, it’s not worth taking the risk.
Energex Has Advice; Not All Of It Is Good
If you go to their website, there’s some general precautions in a pdf and a web page with fairly sound reasoning.
However, the blanket advice issued on social media to shut down solar power systems is causing needless fear, uncertainty and doubt.
The take-home message is:
- Treat solar power systems and components with respect, especially if they might have been flooded with water.
- If you have a power system that is likely to be inundated, get professional help to isolate, move components and short the array.
- Have your system inspected and recommissioned by a qualified installer once the weather has passed.
The fine print in your network connection agreement will specify a periodic inspection by an electrician, usually at intervals of not more than 5 years, so take the opportunity and make sure everything is good for the coming season.
Only Going To Get Worse
Though it’s been 35 years between drinks, it’s not unprecedented to have cyclones impact New South Wales, however it’s the excess rainfall and resulting floods which prove most damaging, according to the insurance industry.
As we trap more energy in the climate system with a blanket of carbon in the atmosphere, extremes of weather like this storm become more common and more powerful. There’s no debate, it’s not a matter of believing in climate change, insurers are repeatedly sticking their hands out for government subsidies.
Regardless of whether you are in the firing line of Alfred this time round, its worth getting to grips with what to do with your solar and battery system should a heavy storm come your way, since it is getting ever more likely that one will.
I just hope that maybe those lamenting even the AFL season opener had to be cancelled will begin to pay attention. If the football is being affected then this is getting serious.
Yes Energex and their “helpful messaging” is causing no end of grief about the ridges here in south east Qld.
I live in Northern NSW, just under the BOM’s “Warning! Will Robertson!!” map (perhaps im showing my age there….) My existing solar system was put in place in 2010 and has DC rated breaker switches (just a switch not a current limiting device) and Bussman fuses in series with the array and the inverter. I don’t intend to do anything right at this stage but if I was to short the inverter DC inputs in the dead of night then I would guess that all that would happen when the sun first shines on the array (days to weeks later) is that the fuses would give up the ghost.
Of course given the panels age and expected degradation it may be that Isc (Current Short Circuit) real life isn’t sufficient to pop the fuses…..or that when they do pop it will be a longer term thermal event hours to days later rather than an immediate event due massive overload. Hopefully should that occur there wont be sufficient heat to convert the plastic switches and fuseholders to carbonised smoke as the fuses undergo torture…
In a statistically irrelevant sample size of 1, shorting the DC leads could create possibly more issues than it potentially solves.
So, Ill do nothing and simply keep away from the panels as I always try to do, and even more-so should it be determined that life as a submarine PV panel is more appropriate…….
Well put Andy,
Generally fuses were only used to protect parallel arrays from each other, say if one panel or string cable developed a fault and the other two strings were then shorted by and providing current into the faulty panel.
Fuses do eventually fail because of thermal cycling in my experience. I’ve replaced open circuit 15a (38x10mm HRC) cartridges on 5a arrays simply because they’re of an age.
There are building codes for resistance to cyclones.
Is there a relevant standard for solar panel installations?
Hi Ross,
These links will help you
https://www.clenergy.com.au/media/videos/convos-with-clenergy-i-new-as-nzs1170-22021-building-standards/
https://www.gses.com.au/new-version-of-the-wind-actions-standard-as-nzs-1170-2/
Thank you for posting this. I saw the post on Facebook, but decided to ignore it as I wanted our battery to be available if there was a power outage and I was not confident to be able to turn the invertor off, but still have battery backup in case of a power outage.
Youve just saved another 30,000 phone calls from being made. Excellent.
Thanks Neil,
We do try to help.
It’s up to each owner if they want to shut there systems down and there is some good reasons to shut the system down in a major storm.
First Energex have to work on the power lines to restore power to do this they need to know that every one’s solar systems are not generating power and exporting it to the grid. Yes all inverters are designed to shut down in a grid blackout but some have had a few problems with this. I know of at least two inverters manufacturers that had a recall for this problem both of these inverters have been featured on your site, most were fixed but not all so you can see the concern that Energex has.
For the owner yes the system will shut down in a blackout but before a blackout it’s open to damage, this could be from power surges or from your roof blowing off taking the panels with it.
It just makes good sense to be safe than sorry.
Hi Martin,
Turning the DC solar off won’t help anything if the roof blows away.
Disconnecting the smarts inside the inverter that will short the array and/or sound an alert if there’s a earth fault is actually making things more dangerous.
Energex have literally been instructing people with batteries to isolate the DC solar “because it won’t generate much anyway” without considering these customers have invested in their own power systems so they’re not reliant and no longer a burden on the network. It’s utterly counterproductive yet it’s a hill they’re willing to die on.
All they’re doing is sowing FUD. Fear uncertainty and doubt aren’t helping anyone.
No person who works with lethal energised distribution network systems is ever going to rely on a “trust me it was designed safe” statement before connecting themselves to the network for maintenance. Just the same way that if an electrician comes to your house he isn’t going to take your word that the mains is off and they can just go straight ahead with re-terminating the power socket without checking that themself and then using a meter or similar to confirm at the actual socket.
There will be lots of steps in the Energex SWMS to ensure that the network is dead, and equally lots of steps to ensure it will remain that way, while they are connected to it doing maintenance……
Im amazed that the maintenance managers have time to even come up with this…it sounds to me more like a senior exec, probably from a functional or cost center other than maintenance, has “stepped in and helped” cause those maintenance boys seem to be flat out right now getting their ducks all in a line….
Fronius have just released their app based option to keep the battery fully charged and on standby for an outage. Do you know if it charges from the grid or just stops discharge?
Hi Paul,
Not sure off the top of my head but for the sake of a dollar or two most people are fine with doing a force charge from the grid.
Sungrow have an option to activate force charging, as do Tesla and others so I imagine Fronius will do the same.
Your story came up in my Google suggestions. Probably because yesterday I was trying to find the answers you addressed here.
Thanks for taking the time to write this. It was helpful.
Appreciate it.
I’ll now just be relaxing and waiting for Alfred.